Friday morning discussion

John:

It kind of cracks me up that Boehner had to cancel his vote tonight cause he didn’t have enough votes to pass it. First, a Speaker should never say there is going to be a vote unless they absolutely know they have the votes (be like a lawyer asking a question he didn’t know the answer to.)And second, why was the media making such a huge deal about it, since they knew it couldn’t pass the senate or get signed by Obama. it does really make the Reps look bad tonight. it’s meaningless, but all the masses will hear is that the Reps couldn’t get the votes to pass their own bill, and they’ll think the worse of them for that.
Saw a graphic tonight that the last two congresses passes over 200 bills each that are now law. This congress, with John of Orange as Speaker, has passed 12. He looks like a very tired man.

Jim:
I am glad the Reps are a House Divided…

The Republican plan did have a ghost of a chance. I think the big story is that the restoration of tax rates on the rich are not in either plan. There’s a comparison of the two plans in the Wash Post, and that chart shows them close to identical. A compromise between those two bills is inevitable, and they are both way over to the wants of the Right.

What is needed is some digging into what all is about to be cut. With numbers this big, you know it’s a lot. This is all a huge cave by the Dems, an admission that the size of government (laws passed over many years by both parties) must shrink. In “normal times,” we’d see the popular media coverage would be about a particular bill here and there, but now, the scope is backed way off, we are talking about major lumps cut. The devil is not just in the details, it’s in the chopping block. These are historic times! Move the decimal point, not just an increase here or there.

John:
I don’t think anyone has given details of what would be cut.
I guess the Boehner plan had a ghost of a chance in the house, but it had no chance in the senate.
The sticking point is whether it’ll be extended through the next election or just for a few months as B wants. And that’s an enormous sticking point; it was Obama’s one line in the sand.
Interesting days ahead.

Jim:
So here’s what the Republicans have accomplished, regardless of what passes:

  1. Major, dramatic cuts in government are widely accepted.
  2. What those cuts actually are is masked by the issue of the debt limit.
  3. Any kind of tax restoration (a better term than increase) is verboten.

John:
But they have only accomplished that inside the beltway. polls still show a good majority of Americans want taxes raised on the wealthy (and the fact that no one in either party is willing to say the word tax only shows that both parties are owned by and represent the wealthy and not the majority of Americans). And polls show Americans do not want cuts in Medicare and social security.
Finally, poll after poll shows jobs and not the debt to be the key thing on America’s mind.

So the reps have really only accomplished all this in Washington and the media. And that explains the anger of the tea party. They just let their anger be misdirected to wanting to destroy government instead of making it better.

Jim:
But that is the law that is likely to be passed, regardless of the polls.

John:
Well, if it did pass like that it would prove beyond any doubt that Washington no longer represents the American people. But nothing has been passed or agreed to yet, so we’ll have to see what happens.

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About JP

We're two guys who met in college, in 1980. We've stayed in touch, and like to talk politics, current events, music and religion. JP is nore liberal than Sid, but not in every way. We figure that dialogue stimulates ideas, moderates perspective, and is in general friendly. These are things we need badly in these dangerous times. The blog name is taken from a song by Bruce Cockburn.
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